A couple of things. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. They have a 1st Amendment right to speak their mind, but that doesnt mean shouting down a preacher at a military funeral. The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. This directory, containing close to 10,000 churches and counting, is aimed at getting you the information you need when you need it. Our Pastor teaches that Baptism does not save us and is no a requirement of salvation. I was bothered by how liberal other churches seemed in comparison to the IFB. As I grew up in this church and began to understand more, it became clear to me that what was being preached First, I must say I have been a little hesitant to share my journey. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement My responsibility is to preach the Word. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. They loved the Lord and many of them gave their lives and fortunes for the sake of Christ. Im really not sure how we didnt die. I commented that some of the teen girls were dressed entirely innappropriately with tiny shorts, which were very immodest, so there certainly should be a standard for modesty. My parents refuse to acknowledge that it was a cult still to this day. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. I am so encouraged and continue to be reaffirmed in our decision as I meet and talk to others who have awakened to the truth of Grace and Legalism. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. The only time I ever dressed up was for Job interviews. Calvary Chapels do not believe that baptism is necessary for membership in a local assembly. @greg Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. | Beautiful In His Time, perfection is not possible | Beautiful In His Time, finding healing and freedom in secular music | Beautiful In His Time, I will keep believing that God still has a plan | Beautiful In His Time, Modesty: a picture of grace | Beautiful In His Time, Disconnect: when God just doesnt seem relevant | Beautiful In His Time, Roses in the dumpster: seeing God in everyday life | Beautiful In His Time, Cheating on my church | Beautiful In His Time, Can you hear Jesus calling? WebIndependent Baptist churches are starting to look more worldly and non-denominational, rather than keeping their identity. We still havent been back and have recently found another church my husband likes and its just okay for me. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist - Wikipedia One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. I meant to say: your friend in Jesus. A new church opened their doors here recently, stating they are an IFB church. After taking in many of their services and listening to the self-ordained Pastor, and now reading this article, Ive come to some conclusions. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. What youre experiencing is absolutely normal and it gets easier with time. A preacher told me once we were not to judge, but that we were to be fruit inspectors. One of the best ways to stay up to date with what is happening at GPBC is to download our app directly onto your Phone or Tablet through the Apple or Google App stores. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. Not all IFB churches are this way. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. In 1606, after nine months of soul-searching and study of the New Testament he was convinced that the doctrines and practices of the Church of England were not Biblical, and thus he resigned as priest and left the church. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. 1. Just some thoughts. I love the pastor and his family but politically it is too conservative for my semi-liberal mind. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. Live in the blessed hope of our Lord Jesus, He loves you unconditionally! How did you leave how did it affect how others in the family treated you? Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? Then, I am an independent Baptist. 1.) Here we began the healing process which is at times painful. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. You either comply or you are thrown out. Our final military deployment homecoming: finally together forever! It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. I feel so free now and I no longer feel like God is angry with me. After 40 years of ministry as founding pastor of Greater Portland Baptist Church, Pastor Rick Adams is following the leading of the Lord to move into a new phase of ministry as a Missionary to pastors and church planters with Church Planting America. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. There were always things my husband did not agree with but we stayed thinking we could look past things. No church in the NT took that label. These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. In recent years the news media has called doctrinally unsound church such as the Charismatics and Pentecostals fundamentalists. 3:3). These dones are pursing Jesus, his ways and his community outside the church institution in a way which is more in line with Gods leading. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. He is much better at it than we are. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. Baptists are not Protestants! If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. New Episodes drop Wednesdays at Midnight! 4. It is an important part of the church. We left the IFB church earlier this year. 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In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. I would agree with this. @greg ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. It should be free. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. Anyway I hope that things get better for you soon, and one that that really helped me was browsing through the e-mails and messages on here, and seeing how many of us had the same kinds of issues. During my IFB wilderness wanderings I often doubted if I was saved. 2. When we arrive in heaven we are going to be surprised not only by who is there, but by who isnt there. Are you (or someone you know) a perfect person for us to interview on the podcast? 8.) 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. When its time to leave Thoughts on breaking away. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). I think I already addressed that point. The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. Why, because it was founded on Gods Word and there is no necessity that it have contact with some other church which belongs to a succession of churches. I am having a hard time figuring you out. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. I dont understand the context of your comment. You will understand that God does indeed love you, and that Gods love isnt dependent on living up to mans expectations or manipulation. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. Even after Williams left it, it continued to follow the New Testament and was not adversely effected. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. I dont know what a right church looks like. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an (man of God). Its so good knowing that we have an advocate with the Father that helps us to do that very thing. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. The natural question then to ask is, What makes a person a true Baptist? In examining the history of Baptists and determining what makes up a genuine and true Baptist, five distinctives should be noted. As you do that you will gain a new and fresh perspective about who God really is and how your personal sanctification process should play out. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. Overview of the IFB Church Independent Fundamental Baptist They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. Independent greg, When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. Please also check out my follow up series here: http://beautifulinhistime.com/2017/06/29/grace-recovering-legalist-faith/, Thank you so much for this I still struggle after I have sinned and when I dont consistently read my Bible thinking Im not good enough But I am encouraged in the inner man Yeshua bless you and keep you. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. Let me start by saying that you arent alone. On Sunday, March 26, 2023, Pastor Scott McFeters moved into the role of Senior Pastor at Greater Portland Baptist Church. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. WebSo, first I am a Baptist with a capital B.. The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. First Baptist Church Of Rose Hill uses only the King James Bible. Here are the 5 key issues that have hurt the Independent Baptist world in some cases, as well as greatly damaging the lives of some believers: A Failure To Adequately Preach The Bible. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. I recently received an email from a lady distraught over leaving the IFB. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. I am thinking of leaving my IFB church. You dont study enough. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. I will not post here again. I attend an IFB church. Religion & Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. After Jesus preached, He then told Simon to launch out into the deep for a great haul of fish. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. So after having several inches of rain flood our garage at 10pm Saturday night and again at 6pm last night, Russ and I went on a mission to diagnose the problem. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. 3) tell you what to wear (John the Baptist probably wouldnt be allowed in most IFB churches Heres her plea for help and some thoughts I have on leaving the IFB: I was raise IFB I mean strict IFB! Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent When you mix all of that in with my introverted personality, it creates this mixture of an individual that just wants to be left alone when I'm not with my girlfriend atm who's more loving than anyone could ever dream of at the IFB churches I've been to. 6.) Not once in the New Testament do you find even a hint that a church was legitimate because it was founded by Paul or called itself by a particular name. Theres no recourse. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. I have been around the blogosphere enough to know that there are a lot of people wandering in this wilderness. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church (IFBC), my decision to leave, and life after. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. We have been blacklisted by the church, except for a few faithful friends. For example inn Isle of Wight county in southeastern Virginia, Baptist preachers were taken to Nansamond River, nearly drowned by Episcopalians to show their contempt for Baptists beliefs in immersion and their rejection of infant Baptism. I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. They never truly loved me to begin with if they can't handle yours truly being truly apathetic about everything church supposedly offers them when said church acts as if someone like me doesn't exist just because I don't give 10% of my income to a group of organizations I know to be abusive and to be incompetent at best and outright hostile to someone like yours truly and his Asperger's. I was raised in an IFB church in central North Carolina from the age of 5-18. Any idiot can do that. Part 8:finding healing and freedom in secular music, Part 9:I will keep believing that God still has a plan, Part 12:Disconnect: when God just doesnt seem relevant, Part 13:Roses in the dumpster: seeing God in everyday life, Part 16:Checklists, control, and motherhood, Part 17:forget where you should be and give God your ugly, Part 18:When your church isnt meeting your needs, Part 19:on being in your place in church, Part 20:when your spiritual journey doesnt look like his, Part 22:There are no entry level positions with God, Part 23:Sitting on the premises sometimes, its okay not to serve, Part 25:You are God, You are God, Of all else Im letting go!, Part 28:My motivation: chosen, holy, and dearly loved, Part 29:what grace is not: the pendulum and sinning that grace may abound, Part 30:From legalism into grace: one mans story, Part 31: Grace in the wilderness: the blessings of legalism, SEQUEL SERIES (20 posts and counting): Grace: How a Recovering Legalist Moves Forward in Faith. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. Unaccountable. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. It is characterized by professing to believe in separation but doing In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. For others, like yourself, who do manage to escape, the damage has been done and they find it difficult to escape mentally and emotionally. Modern church history is irrelevant, not only to our topic but to us in general. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. Tithing I believe is liberty. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. He records that five hundred others who were identified as Anabaptists were also killed in England during this period. Total. Now I hate to leave because I like the fellowship but also the restrictions for women really is getting to me. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. I made a very similar forgiveness plea on facebook just yesterday, asking all to forgive me if I had ever legalistically stepped on them. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. WebFirst Baptist Church Of Rose Hill is an independent Baptist church in Redmond, Washington. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. 01 May 2023 20:13:01 I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: We are not under law, but under grace. 01 May 2023 20:13:01 I'm asking because I'm seriously considering coming out to my parents as someone who just looks at Christianity as being another nerd-esque interest much like that of video games, anime, comic books, etc.. Basically, if you watched the Religious People are Nerds video by CollegeHumor, you know what I'm talking about. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. It seems to me that Christianitys best are leaving the traditional, institutional church because God is revealing its inadequacies. Steve must have been on vacation or something. Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. You feel distant, not from God, the Bible and or church, but from what you THOUGHT was God, the Bible and church. Everyones story is important and we want to hear yours! The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. When Is It Right To Leave A Church? - IndependentBaptist.com 4.) And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. I usually look fwd to these. We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. They were a New Testament church, not because of a succession of churches or men, but because they formed their church on the principles of the New Testament. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. Since 1982 Greater Portland Baptist Church has ministered in the Greater Portland area with clear, Bible preaching, evangelistic passion, missions emphasis, Christ 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. For the following seven years,I wandered in a no-mans landa wilderness, between legalism and grace trying to find some balance between the two. this is a great book research on cultist church However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out.

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